Latest revision as of 17:20, 7 June 2020

Help for user about this wiki (title, comments, add image or links...) Writing Guide, Wiki Technical Guide's translation is not finished. But this page talk about translation on the wikis.

Note the language's place in the URL : for the French it start with fr https://fr.wiki.ryzom.com/wiki, the English version https://en.wiki.ryzom.com/wiki and all images are in common on https://atys.wiki.ryzom.com...

Update (2019/05/13): a RC channel to speak about wiki #pj-ryzom_wiki.

Thanks to not rename a page (even if the page name looks very bad) - it can break a lot of links (for ex posted on the forum + several Trad links, on other wikis) - before any rename, talk about it on the RC channel.

1 On this wiki
- 1.1 Signatures and talk
- 1.2 On Common
2 On the forum
3 Archives
- 3.1 Translating the Tribes Members Titles
- 3.2 This page should be translated into

On this wiki

NEW:

see the Template:TIP and see the Template:Trad and their discussion pages, who compare the 2 Templates.
Template:Autotrad
very handy: atys:Category:Tools_for_Translation has several arrays, with translations.

WikiTrad-EN/Toolbars on this wiki to compare the interfaces on the 5 languages.

Thanks to add the languages translations flags at the top of the page, as translators used to do.

Be care ful: the French site has much more pages than the English one ^[1]+ very often, the FR page is much more updated.

The Templates are quite new... so a lot of pages don't have them.
Thanks to watch in History who was writing on the page, to compare EN/FR version of a page.
We are trying to reduce the differences with EN/FR pages - not get more and more differences LOL

Be careful when copy/paste to an other language, specially regarding some keywords (for the Category: Catégorie for FR, Kategorie DE, Categorías SP... or in images, for ex vignette for thumb...), the place's names can be very different too, acronyms (PNJ/NPC, HRP/OCC)... We need to add several terms or the search won't be optimal. And (specially for categories) choosing a name in a foreign language can be touchy...

The common roots categories are:

Encyclopatys : related to the actual encyclopedic wiki, powered by all the players
Wikipatys : the wiki
Forge : dev of the Ryzom (server side: core and clients)
Lore : the official Atys History

Several categories "on top" are commun in all languages, better not move or even change them (keep them at the same level). Users should try to use categories as far as possible from root (each page or image can be collected using several categories), however, the 5 wikis are very different.
Help about categories at Categorization/how_to.

To create a new translation: the best is to open a new windows, in the target language, using Search in order to find some very close context with our subject (and maybe you'll find some oldier page, to add some other links or to archive) and choose a nice name for the page that you are going to create.

Signatures and talk

When adding the ~~~~ the link to your name and discussion will be on the site you commented, not the one you use usually, specially when you translate, or help other people on here (but date and hour will be formatted as in the language's wiki: May 9th or 9 Mai). Here is my tips:

I add the ~~~~ then start write above.
I Preview so ~~~~ shows in preview the 2 bad links (in red as my profile is on the French wiki, not on English or German I discuss on * usually the English wiki, or Common),
I copy de date and hour (in preview), paste it my comment, delete the ~~~~.
I have the whole code in nowiki markup, on my profile as a memo, with link to RC. So I just copy the code, paste it on the comment, before date & time, done.

It's: [https://fr.wiki.ryzom.com/wiki/Utilisateur:Amosys Amosys] ([https://fr.wiki.ryzom.com/w/index.php?title=Discussion_utilisateur:Amosys&action=edit&section=new talk to Amosys on wiki]) (On RC [https://chat.ryzom.com/channel/pj-ryzom_wiki pj-ryzom_wiki])

It gives : Amosys (talk to Amosys on wiki) (On RC pj-ryzom_wiki) 03:16, 9 June 2019 (CEST)

For a RC MP, use for ex: [[File:RClogo211905.png|60px|Name on RC|link=https://chat.ryzom.com/direct/Name]] it gives:

On Common

To translate the text (category description and the Summary when importing images) and names of the category on common wiki:

default language is English - there's a lots of categories (6 wikis), better no add too much "localized indexes" in the category names on Common ^[2].
when adding a image, in Summary we can write all text, in any language, in order to help anyone to find it on common, but finish it with the code for ex [[Category:Encyclopatys]] if the image don't contain too many French/German text ^[3].
- if the image has a lot of German: thanks to use [[Category:EncyclopDE]], not [[Category:Encyclopatys]]. To atys:Category:EncyclopDE
- if the image has a lot of French: thanks to use [[Category:EncyclopFR]], [[Category:Encyclopatys]]. To To atys:Category:EncyclopFR.

Here are some examples:

Code of a Category (common space names):

{{CategoryDescription |en=This category collects images about |de=Diese Kategorie sammelt ! |fr=Cette catégorie rassemble des images concernant les Missions en mektoubs }} [[Category:Encyclopatys]] [[Category:Mission]] [[Category:Mount]]

Code in Summary when uploading an image (common space names) on common wiki:

FR, 2019_05, Mektoub misions, Missions en mektoub, plus à [:fr:Utilisateur:TonNomIci/HRP/Mes mimi fréquentes mes notes de missions] [[Category:EncyclopFR]] [[Category:Mission]] [[Category:Mount]]

Comments are use full for the search

The comment text should be in English... but several are only FR or German
Its start with FR, as the comment is in French (thanks to add DE at 1rst word if the comment is full German)

See SOS/catImage for help about images categories.

Some useful Special pages, with several languages: Wiki Technical Guide/Special Pages.

On the forum

On forum : https://app.ryzom.com/app_forum/index.php?page=forum/view/1839 we have several versions :

The code to use on the official forum - all translations are in a same post: [FR] for the French version and [EN] for the english translation

How use codes for a post in several languages

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 {{Trad|EN=WikiTrad-EN|FR=WikiTrad-FR}}
-'''Update''' (2019/05/13): a RC channel to speak about wiki [https://chat.ryzom.com/channel/pj-ryzom_wiki #pj-ryzom_wiki].
+Help for user about this wiki (title, comments, add image or links...) [[Writing Guide]], [[Wiki Technical Guide]]'s translation is not finished. But this page talk <big>about translation on the wikis</big>.
-Help for user about this wiki (title, comments, add image or links...) [[Writing Guide]]. But this page talk <big>about translation on the wikis</big>.
+Note the language's place in the URL : for the French it start with fr https://'''fr'''.wiki.ryzom.com/wiki, the English version https://'''en'''.wiki.ryzom.com/wiki and all images are in common on https://'''atys'''.wiki.ryzom.com...
+Update (2019/05/13): a RC channel to speak about wiki [https://chat.ryzom.com/channel/pj-ryzom_wiki #pj-ryzom_wiki].
+'''Thanks to not rename a page''' (even if the page name looks very bad) - it can break a lot of links (for ex posted on the forum + several '''Trad''' links, on other wikis) - '''before''' any rename, talk about it on the RC channel.
 === On this wiki ===
-'''NEW''': [[WikiTrad-EN/Toolbars on this wiki]] to compare the interfaces on the 5 languages.
+'''NEW''':
+* see the [[:Template:TIP]] and see the [[:Template:Trad]] and their discussion pages, who compare the 2 Templates.
+* [[Template:Autotrad]]
+* very handy: [[:atys:Category:Tools_for_Translation]] has several arrays, with translations.
+* [[WikiTrad-EN/Toolbars on this wiki]] to compare the interfaces on the 5 languages.
+Thanks to add the languages translations flags at the top of the page, as translators used to do.
+'''Be care ful''': the French site has much more pages than the English one <ref>See wikis statistics on [[Wiki Technical Guide/Statistics on the March 5th 2020]]. FR wiki has about 3x pages than EN.</ref>+ very often, the FR page is much more updated.
+* The Templates are quite new... so a lot of pages don't have them.
+* Thanks to watch in History who was writing on the page, to compare EN/FR version of a page.
+* We are trying to reduce the differences with EN/FR pages - not get more and more differences LOL
-Thanks to add the languages translations flags at the top of the page, as translators used to do. Here is the code (here, a french page named pFR and an english one named pEN) :
-<div style="margin:0em; padding:1em 2em;border: thin inset #{{ColorAtys|type=dark|group=HRP}};background:#{{ColorAtys|type=light|group=HRP}};color:#{{ColorAtys|type=fg|group=HRP}};"><nowiki>{{Trad|DE=<pDE>|ES=<pES>|EN=<pEN>|FR=<pFR>||RU=<pRU>}}</nowiki>
-</div>
 Be careful when copy/paste to an other language, specially regarding some keywords (for the Category: Catégorie for FR, Kategorie DE, Categorías SP... or in images, for ex vignette for thumb...), the place's names can be very different too, acronyms (PNJ/NPC, HRP/OCC)... We need to add several terms or the search won't be optimal. And (specially for categories) choosing a name in a foreign language can be touchy...
@@ Line 21: / Line 34: @@
 Several categories "on top" are commun in all languages, better not move or even change them (keep them at the same level). Users should try to use categories as far as possible from root (each page or image can be collected using several categories), however, the 5 wikis are very different.<br />
 '''Help about categories''' at [[Categorization/how_to]].
+To create a new translation: the best is to open a new windows, in the target language, using Search in order to find some very close context with our subject (and maybe you'll find some oldier page, to add some other links or to archive) and choose a nice name for the page that you are going to create.
+==== Signatures and talk ====
+When adding the <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> the link to your name and discussion will be on the site you commented, not the one you use usually, specially when you translate, or help other people on here (but date and hour will be formatted as in the language's wiki: May 9th or 9 Mai). Here is my tips:
+# I add the <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> then start write above.
+# I Preview so <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> shows in preview the 2 bad links (in red as my profile is on the French wiki, not on English or German I discuss on * usually the English wiki, or Common),
+# I copy de date and hour (in preview), paste it my comment, delete the <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>.
+# I have the whole code in nowiki markup, on my profile as a memo, with link to RC. So I just copy the code, paste it on the comment, before date & time, done.
+It's:
+<nowiki>[https://fr.wiki.ryzom.com/wiki/Utilisateur:Amosys Amosys] ([https://fr.wiki.ryzom.com/w/index.php?title=Discussion_utilisateur:Amosys&action=edit&section=new talk to Amosys on wiki]) (On RC [https://chat.ryzom.com/channel/pj-ryzom_wiki pj-ryzom_wiki])</nowiki>
+It gives : [https://fr.wiki.ryzom.com/wiki/Utilisateur:Amosys Amosys] ([https://fr.wiki.ryzom.com/w/index.php?title=Discussion_utilisateur:Amosys&action=edit&section=new talk to Amosys on wiki]) (On RC [https://chat.ryzom.com/channel/pj-ryzom_wiki pj-ryzom_wiki])   03:16, 9 June 2019 (CEST)
+For a RC MP, use for ex: <nowiki>[[File:RClogo211905.png|60px|Name on  RC|link=https://chat.ryzom.com/direct/Name]]</nowiki> it gives: [[File:RClogo211905.png|60px|Amosys on  RC|link=https://chat.ryzom.com/direct/Amosys]]
-=== On Common ===
+==== On Common ====
 To translate the text (category description and the Summary when importing images) and names of the category on common wiki:
 * default language is English - there's a lots of categories (6 wikis), better no add too much "localized indexes" in the '''category names''' on Common <ref>If you are a German or Spanish or Russian or french translator, when creating a new category on common, better create it with a english name, and you can write in your native language in descriptions with or '''DE''' or '''SP''' or '''RU''' or '''FR''' respectively)</ref>.
-* when adding a image, in Summary we can write all text, in any language, in order to help anyone to find it, but finish it with the code for ex  <nowiki>[[Category:Encyclopatys]]</nowiki> <ref>On the Common (and Forge) wikis, as medias are shared for all languages (RU, ES, DE, FR and EN), English is the default language for the names of the Categories. Common's URL start with '''atys'''.wiki.ryzom.com, and the English one start with '''en'''.wiki.ryzom.com, German with '''de'''.wiki.ryzom.com, French with '''fr'''.wiki.ryzom.com... regarding how you count, there's 6 or 7 public wikis...</ref>
+* when adding a image, in Summary we can write all text, in any language, in order to help anyone to find it on common, but finish it with the code for ex  <nowiki>[[Category:Encyclopatys]]</nowiki> if the image don't contain too many French/German text <ref>On the Common (and Forge) wikis, as medias are shared for all languages (RU, ES, DE, FR and EN), English is the default language for the names of the Categories. Common's URL start with '''atys'''.wiki.ryzom.com, and the English one start with '''en'''.wiki.ryzom.com, German with '''de'''.wiki.ryzom.com, French with '''fr'''.wiki.ryzom.com... regarding how you count, there's 6 or 7 public wikis... From the common, it's not easy to see what image is used where (en? fr? de?): adding in Summary a page link can be a good idea.</ref>.
+** if the image has a lot of German: thanks to use <nowiki>[[Category:EncyclopDE]]</nowiki>, not <nowiki>[[Category:Encyclopatys]]</nowiki>. To [[:atys:Category:EncyclopDE]]
+** if the image has a lot of French: thanks to use <nowiki>[[Category:EncyclopFR]]</nowiki>, <nowiki>[[Category:Encyclopatys]]</nowiki>. To  To [[:atys:Category:EncyclopFR]].
 Here are some examples:
@@ Line 41: / Line 76: @@
 </div>
-Code of an image (common space names):
+Code in Summary when uploading an image (common space names) on common wiki:
 <div style="margin:0em; padding:1em 2em;border: thin inset #{{ColorAtys|type=dark|group=HRP}};background:#{{ColorAtys|type=light|group=HRP}};color:#{{ColorAtys|type=fg|group=HRP}};"><nowiki>
-FR, 2019_05, Mektoub misions, Missions en mektoub, plus à [https://fr.wiki.ryzom.com/wiki/Utilisateur:TonNomIci/HRP/Mes mimi fréquentes mes notes de missions]
+FR, 2019_05, Mektoub misions, Missions en mektoub, plus à [:fr:Utilisateur:TonNomIci/HRP/Mes mimi fréquentes mes notes de missions]
 [[Category:EncyclopFR]] [[Category:Mission]] [[Category:Mount]]
 </nowiki>
 </div>
+'''Comments are use full for the search'''
+* The comment text should be in English... but several are only FR or German
+* Its start with FR, as the comment is in French (thanks to add DE at 1rst word if the comment is full German)
 See [[SOS/catImage]] for help about images categories.
-=== This page should be translated to ===
+Some useful Special pages, with several languages: [[Wiki Technical Guide/Special Pages]].
-====German====
-[https://chat.ryzom.com/direct/Heernis Heernis]
-====English====
-====French====
-[https://chat.ryzom.com/direct/Craftjenn Craftjenn]
-Spanish
 === On the forum ===
@@ Line 69: / Line 97: @@
 The code to use on the official forum - all translations are in a same post: <nowiki>[FR] for the French version and [EN] for the english translation</nowiki>
+[[File:Forum multi-language 2020-05-14.png|frame|center|How use codes for a post in several languages]]
+== Archives ==
+Here is the code (here, a french page named pFR and an english one named pEN) :
+<div style="margin:0em; padding:1em 2em;border: thin inset #{{ColorAtys|type=dark|group=HRP}};background:#{{ColorAtys|type=light|group=HRP}};color:#{{ColorAtys|type=fg|group=HRP}};"><nowiki>{{Trad|DE=<pDE>|ES=<pES>|EN=<pEN>|FR=<pFR>||RU=<pRU>}}</nowiki>
+</div>
+==== Translating the Tribes Members Titles ====
+in EN and FR (and using BM)
+Campsite  -  Au camp
+*  Tribe Chief  :	Chef (ou Cheffe)
+* Tribe Outpost Officer : Officier '''Tribal''' des Avant-Postes
+* Tribe Welcomer :	Hôte d'Accueil
+* Outlands Supplier :	 Fournisseur des Terres Lointaines
+*  Overseer 	: Contremaître
+* Frontier Supplier : 	Fournisseur des Frontières
+* '''Master Overseer :	Contremaître Expert'''
+* Ambassador :	Ambassadeur
+* Master Guards : Gardes puissants
+Wandering the region  -  Se déplaçant en région
+* Hunter : Chasseur
+* Prospector : Prospecteur
+Affiliates  -  Affiliés
+* Scout : Eclaireur
+* '''Journeyman : Compagnon Artisan'''
+=== <!--This page should be translated to--> This page should be translated into ===
+try to contact:
+==== 🇩🇪 German====
+[https://chat.ryzom.com/direct/Heernis Heernis]
+==== 🇬🇧 English====
+--[[User:Tryroamer|Tryroamer]] ([[User talk:Tryroamer|talk]]) 20:37, 12 April 2020 (CEST)
+==== 🇫🇷  French====
+====🇪🇸 Spanish====
+====🇷🇺 Russian====
-Feel free to change this Draft.
 Go to the [https://fr.wiki.ryzom.com/w/index.php?title=WikiTrad WikiTrad] it's on the French wiki (sorry, it should be on the English one), but easier for Discussions with CraftJenn, as I am French. I suggest that all translators share tips in here...
 [[User:Craftjenn|CraftJenn, Ranger du Cercle du Bois d&#39;Almati]] ([[User talk:Craftjenn|talk]]) 16:51, 9 September 2018 (CEST)
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+[[Category:Translation Team]] [[Category:Translations]] [[Category:Help]]

Latest revision as of 17:20, 7 June 2020

Contents

On this wiki

Signatures and talk

On Common

On the forum

Archives

Translating the Tribes Members Titles

This page should be translated into

🇩🇪 German

🇬🇧 English

🇫🇷 French

🇪🇸 Spanish

🇷🇺 Russian